Am I Wrong?

Subject: Am I Wrong? Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:13 pm

One of me friends is a satanist and as far as i can tell there is little to this way of thinking then self indulgence...Am I Wrong?
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Though Me Soul Is set In Darkness
It Will Rise In Perfect Light
I Have Loved Under The Stars To Fondly
To Be Fearful Of The Night

The wise will always pretend not to be.
The truly wise will know they are not pretending!

Subject: Re: Am I Wrong? Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:27 pm

No, not when taken literally, but the religion is not as selfish as it sounds. For example, when you help someone, you do it because it makes you feel good, right? Is that not selfish? However, you also helped someone.

So, it is self-indulgent, but no to the point that one sits on his haunches all day doing nothing. That is counter-productive. Satanism basically encourages everyone to do what's best for him/herself, not because it's "right" or "wrong," but because it's best. For example, helping someone in trouble makes us feel good, which in turn keeps us happy. That's betterment of the self, but it also aids humanity in general. Also, pursuit of knowledge is encouraged. Ignorance is forgivable, so long as it's not willful ignorance, and stupidity is looked down upon. Overall, it's not so different from every other religion out there.

Initiate Age : 20 Joined : 02 Apr 2008 Posts : 75

the purpose of religion itself is to save ones soul from eternal punishment... isnt beliving in something just for that... blehh im blanking on the right word to use, but you see where im going

Subject: Re: Am I Wrong? Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:50 pm

Actually, the purpose of religion is so that people have something to believe in that explains things they don't yet understand. To my knowledge, only the mainstream religions really deal with eternal punishment, aka Hell. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Mormons, etc. Wicca deals with karma, pagans believe in too many different things than I can possibly list here, and Satanists don't really believe in any eternal punishment, besides wasting your time on senseless things instead of gaining knowledge and being eternally stupid. (This is what I've always heard, but if you've heard differently, go ahead and tell me. I'm certainly no expert on religion.)

Initiate Age : 20 Joined : 02 Apr 2008 Posts : 75

selfish... thats the word i sought

Subject: Re: Am I Wrong? Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:48 am

Well I really don't know much about the belief, but of the one Satanist I met...well...I suppose people would consider me a "Satanist Sympathizer". My own belief that my friend even agreed with me on was/is that 'Lucifer' himself isn't a bad guy, just misunderstood. I'm pretty certain he realizes he made a mistake and the only reason he isn't up in Heaven is because someone has to play scapegoat and 'Lord of Hell' for the religion. I honestly don't think this brings 'Lucifer' much happiness, but...hell if I know, right? Just my thoughts.
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"For many are called, but few are chosen" - Matthew 22:14 ver. New American Standard.

"Though my soul is born from darkness
it shall rise in perfect light
I have loved the stars too fondly
to be fearful of the night". Unknown

Subject: Re: Am I Wrong? Mon May 19, 2008 10:30 pm

*nods in agreement*

I don't know if I buy into the whole "Lucifer fell from Heaven blah-de-blah" deal, but if that indeed happened, I don't think he's such a bad guy. According to the Bible, he made a mistake. So what? Since when are mistakes soooo evil? Besides, I don't see it as a mistake, anyway. In order for good to exist, so does evil. Everything has to have an equal and opposite in order for the universe to exist in balance, or for anything to exist, in general. Life and Death, Light and Dark, Good and Evil (which are just human terms).

Going back to the Christian lore, God wants us all to love him, right? Well, there can be no true love if its opposite (hate) doesn't exist. It's like we're mindless robots. Maybe Lucifer understood this and allowed mankind to have the option of not loving God, so that our love for him would be true. But, after he did this, he was punished for "messing with" God's little antfarm.

Subject: Re: Am I Wrong? Mon May 19, 2008 11:29 pm

You make a fairly good argument there Sheion. I can definitely agree.
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"For many are called, but few are chosen" - Matthew 22:14 ver. New American Standard.

"Though my soul is born from darkness
it shall rise in perfect light
I have loved the stars too fondly
to be fearful of the night". Unknown

Subject: Re: Am I Wrong? Tue May 20, 2008 11:41 pm

Wait Wait Wait you are all talking about satans "little mistake" now according to the cristi view of the cosmos the god figure was the all powerful one who is the light of all that is good...along comes someone he crated and says "naw im gonna do it now" I'mm sorry but if i was god in his position i would think that lucifer had made more then a "little mistake" i would have done a lot more then just asked him to move out as well...but i digress the thing that makes us all special is the power to "choose" to question our creators...according to the cristi's the angles don't have free will the way we enjoy it...so for one of them to go against their creator was a HUGE deal...

i am really just curious to know why every one thinks this is "little"
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Though Me Soul Is set In Darkness
It Will Rise In Perfect Light
I Have Loved Under The Stars To Fondly
To Be Fearful Of The Night

The wise will always pretend not to be.
The truly wise will know they are not pretending!

Subject: Re: Am I Wrong? Wed May 21, 2008 4:29 am

Well, actually I said that I didn't see it as a mistake, and if it is a mistake, then whatever happened to forgive and forget? Or God's unconditional love? (Sending someone to burn forever in Hell sure doesn't sound much like love to me.) If it was a mistake, and Lucifer didn't really mean anything bad by it, then I think God overreacted, making it a "little mistake" as you put it, though I don't know where "little" was mentioned before.

While we're on the subject of God's creations saying, "naw I'm gonna do it now," and them deserving to be cast out of heaven into a fire pit, then what is keeping him from poofing 95% of the human population immediately to Hell?