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PostSubject: Which Type Is It?!   Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:10 pm

People who are often inexperienced with astral travel do not understand what type of form of astral projection they do when they finally leave their bodies. Some do relay they have a cord tied from their chest to their body while others are uncertain. I have no idea what type of astral travel it would be myself if someone who hardly knows anything about astral travel finally does it and has no idea what form they used. There are apparently a few forms, the chord of light/energy, golem (creating an astral vessal/body and what I like to call it), and I believe there is a third one but it has slipped my memory at this time. Does anyone have any ideas as to what type of astral travel these newbies are using?

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:31 pm

*shrugs.* all i know is how i do it.
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:23 pm

So how do you do it Twilight? Have you ever taken a look at your body as it lay still to examine your surroundings?

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:13 pm

well, i do a meditation where i sink into myself, like mentally dipping backwards into water... once i completely fall under th surface i then fell asif my body ... how do i describe it? just sinks inside itself. i dunno how to explain it realy... but i open my minds eye and i see half-blind like that. i can function physically and consiously while astral just fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Thu May 07, 2009 6:10 pm

I posted this same topic on Paganspace.net and this was the first response I got:

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here is a site you might want to check out: http://www.thiaoouba.com/astr.htm

Unfortunately this response did not give me the other answer I was looking for and I've already read a Beginners Guide to Astral Projection by Edain McCoy. I'd like to share an excerpt from the site given to me though to point out what is b.s. and what is not.

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It seems that there are several key issues which significantly influence practicing of telepathy and astral travel:

1. Restoring perfect health (important condition, freeing resources of the mind/consciousness from attending emergencies arising in your physical body etc..) This is best achieved by full physical detoxification and mind/thought control (see 2,5,6 below)
Ahhhnnnn! Wrong! While detoxification can be good for the body it can also be bad. Any good doctor will tell you that you need some of that extra stuff in your body, because while are bodies are all made up of some really base components there are extra trace minerals in our make-up that we don't know how much there is of. Us getting a daily dose of some of this stuff is good. You know those detox patches you see at the store you can put on your feet, ye-ah even doctors don't recommend you using that because it can prove potentially bad for you. Now I'm one not to always listen to quacks but you know sometimes it is good to listen here and there.
If you want to detox your body on a more natural basis try drinking some Detox Tea before meditation, Astral Travel, or whatever you plan on doing. Practicing Yoga and/or pilates is also good for your body because it does something similar. However if you do, do Yoga or Pilates do drink plenty of water to get rid of all the stuff you just loosened up in your body so it can get flushed out. I also hear cranberry juice is a good detox fruit so considering adding a little to your water.

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2. Pure intentions - not harming anyone and anything, unconditional ACCEPTANCE of everyone else, full forgiveness for other people's mistakes. Note that people make mistakes and hurt others simply because their awareness and understanding are limited . Ask yourself: "Can you blame a baby that he/she hasn't yet learnt to walk?" and consider those who choose to hurt you like babies. This frees enormous resources from the mind which are otherwise blocked with clutter.
I can see how this could work. It would help alleviate unnecessary stress, emotions, etc. So it can/could be good to practice.
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3. Vegan diet (important condition, that seems to free resources of the mind/consciousness from unnecessary metabolism etc..)
Ahhhhhnnnn! Okay for one I've been able to control me dreams WITHOUT being on a Vegan diet and I know plenty of people (close friends) who have performed Astral Projection without being on this type of diet. So you don't have to specilize or sacrifice your diet in order to accomplish any of this.

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4.Eating little, drinking PURE water, NO dinners. Since most of the astral travel happens at night we need every resource from our mind. Metabolising food seems to take a lot of conscious resources from the mind. Please pay attention to how tired you typically feel after a BIG dinner and/or overeating. This is your consciousness communicating to you that you messed up enough and it is the time for you to sleep/rest, so that metabolising the overload can begin WITHOUT you disturbing it.
AHHHHHNNNNN! As I said you don't have to sacrifice your diet to do any of this however there are helpful and beneficial changes you can make such as eating balanced portions to your meals (1 portion meat, 1 portion fruit, 1 portion veges, 1 portion calcium). You'll find when you eat the right balance of foods you'll still wind up full and you'll be doing your body a favor. It is important not to overeat though so keep that in mind. I do feel this rule is good to at least keep in mind and to try out. Drinking plenty of water is good for your body so I do recommend that highly. As a rule of thumb doctors say the last thing you had to eat should be 6 hours before you go to bed. It is believed that yes, if you go to bed digesting food you will not feel as rested. And as a side note using phrases such as "This is your consciousness communicating to you that you messed up" is not positive reinforcement and you don't want to guilt people into doing this. They have to want to do this.

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5.Meditation (I practice @2 hours a day for several years now) . Make sure that you choose a good teacher for it.
If you've already had experience metitating you know you don't necessarily need a teacher, just some good pointers. There are plenty of sites and books that can give you some interesting guided meditation exercises to use. However, when I meditate I look at it as the real challenge being to "clear your mind". I feel if I achieve this then maybe I will be able to astrally travel. I felt that any kind of thought could keep me anchored here, but perhaps that is the wrong mindset so I don't recommend you follow my example. XP Unless you want to be inspired by the divine or connect with the akashic records. I hear this sort of meditation is good for that at least.

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6.Learning to concentrate using good concentration exercises . Expanded collection is in the free e-book The Freedom of Choice
What, WHAT?! Uh isn't that what we all do when we decide to sit down and meditate. Course the goal of meditation is not to let anything distract us from our goals. So any stray thought that might find its way into your mind means you have to start over mentally until you are successful.

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7.Concentration DURING and immediately following meditation. Altering periods of meditation with periods of concentration. More details
Now this just gets confusing. I seriously thought you used Concentration in meditation at all times and I didn't know you could use it any other time except maybe during spellcasting and what not. Anyone else have any ideas on this one?

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8.Learning to concentrate DURING dreams - aiming to achieve a FULL dream control. This is a VERY effective step, but hard to achieve without systematic practicing of 1) to 7).
With my helpful suggestions of what is b.s. and what is not you can still achieve the same thing. I've done it before. Not often mind you but that's because I'm hypoglycemic and I need to eat every 2 hrs, plus, I like letting my dreams just flow sometimes. When they are going bad and I don't want them to continue as they are that's when I reach out and try and take control. I got a couple of funny dream control stories to. So this is b.s. you don't have to follow the rules given you just have to be a bit more aware of the things I gave as helpful alternative suggestions. XP You don't have to listen to me but I know they will prove helpful.

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9.Matching surrounding colors with colors of your aura - seems to stimulate your senses and abilities, seems to give your mind greater control over your body. If you think that colors in your life are unimportant, imagine eliminating color from your life. Imagine decorating your bedroom in BLACK, remove all color items, put a black furniture and linen and see how you would feel.
I've never tried this one. When I was a tween meditating in my room with anime artwork plastered (and I do mean plastered) all over the walls it just promoted positive energy flow. My room right now is pretty plain and yes, I don't like it but it's what I have to deal with and things such as candles, incense, and music typically assist me just fine when I'm strapped.

So I hope some of you found this useful and if you think I'm full of B.S. to go ahead and contest what I have said with hopefully a good supportive argument. ^_^

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Fri May 08, 2009 6:49 pm

all i can say is, that list of points was rediculous and incredibly jaded... sounded almost self-righteous. who wrote it?

i do know that i have read that altered states of mind, such as from sleep deprivation (my personal favourite, as it is something which requires no effort on my part. XP) or smoking certain plants, make it easie for you to Astrally Project, because your subconsiousness will take over more of your active mind than your consiousness. and from my experience, that is exactly right. i have always found it easier to project when i can't realy think straight myself. it does take an interesting concentration trick to consiously be aware of and control your subconsioussly acting mind, but it is well worth the practice and excercising because it is a skill that can be used outside of magicwork.
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Fri May 08, 2009 7:23 pm

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all i can say is, that list of points was rediculous and incredibly jaded... sounded almost self-righteous. who wrote it?

i do know that i have read that altered states of mind, such as from sleep deprivation (my personal favourite, as it is something which requires no effort on my part. XP) or smoking certain plants, make it easie for you to Astrally Project, because your subconsiousness will take over more of your active mind than your consiousness. and from my experience, that is exactly right. i have always found it easier to project when i can't realy think straight myself. it does take an interesting concentration trick to consiously be aware of and control your subconsioussly acting mind, but it is well worth the practice and excercising because it is a skill that can be used outside of magicwork.

Have no idea but if I had to venture a guess it was the person who owned the site. And as I said it sounded like a lot of B.S. That might work for some people but people need to realize you don't have to sacrifice so much to do something that everyone technically could do if they desired so.

I have heard of the same things you speak of. I find that interesting but I feel it is a crutch for someone like me to use if I were to do so. I'm trying to stay away from that sort of thing to learn how to do it on my own, but I have little to no success thus far. Right now I just want to figure out what type of astral projection the people, who know so little about it, what form they use. No one has been of help so far in regards to this.

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Fri May 08, 2009 7:47 pm

well, even without sleep deprivation, smoking or drugs, the act of Astrally Projecting IS one of meditating and merging your subconsiousness with your consioussness, so as to balance the two and unlock the unlimited potential of your spirit away from the bonds of your body and it's physical limitations. of course, i have also heard some stories of people being ripped from their bodies never to return, so i suppose it pays to be cautious about your silver cord, or soul cord as it is also sometimes called.
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Fri May 08, 2009 8:03 pm

Well it's also all about the type of mindset you have when you are going to astrally project. Negativity will attract that which is negative. Positive thinking will attract more of most likely what you'd want to see. So I have heard and read generally everywhere.

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Mon May 11, 2009 12:02 am

well who said th way i do has anything to do with negetivity? o.o
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Mon May 11, 2009 12:31 am

*shrugs* I wasn't hun but it is the simple fact that if you harbor any at all you can attract some unsightly beings.

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Mon May 11, 2009 12:32 am

that is very true.
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Mon May 11, 2009 12:55 am

Indeed. That is why I have since changed my perspective. I am a much more positive person now compared to how I was before. I attract plenty of positive people in my life now and I am much happier for it. It's another reason why I never hold a grudge. I remember the wrongs others have committed upon me, to me, but I never try to think illy about them or toward them. Vengence in one's heart only leads to disaster and misfortune so I have come to understand and know. I just always remind myself that karma will eventually get them back in the end, at least within 5 yrs time. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Mon May 11, 2009 12:58 am

^_^ much the same as i have done.
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Mon May 18, 2009 8:54 pm

Darius the Majicou of Paganspace.net wrote:
Those are not actually forms of astral projection... just labeled so because of poor understanding.. astral projection is simply projection through the astral plane.. other planes may be accessed through the astral plane more easily, but are not necessarily required to be accessed through the astral plane... I have a large amount of experience with several sorts of projection. The cord is seldom noticed, but is always there, and is necessary for the return to the body... if severed, your body loses consciousness, and your consciousness is free to wander the planes as it will... but can be destroyed much more easily. Golems are entirely different than astral travel and are more similar to egregore... anybody telling you they are using a golem for astral travel obviously has very little idea what they are talking about. Though the mind does create a new astral body each time you astral project, it is dissimilar to a golem in several ways....Probably they are simply glimpsing the astral palne while not actually creating a body there... most peoples understanding of what they are doing is very poor... I can say it no better than that without more information.

Serpentarius of Paganspace.net wrote:
The Lucid Dreaming method is called "WILD" - wake induced lucid dream.

I find that AP through meditation, occult methods (forming the body of light), new age energy work methods, etc all share some common basics.

WILD can be used to either enter a dream or AP. The idea is to hold onto your conciousness while your body falls alseep and the subconcious starts to dream. Your mind will flash with vivid dreamlets and audio/sensory halucinations. To Lucid dream you let one of the dreamlets solidify and then run with it. To AP you mentally shrug off the dreamlets and wait for the vibrations to start.

I agree that Lucid Dreaming is a gateway experience. Learning to lucid dream increased my AP frequency to 1 event every two weeks. Often now I find a Lucid Dream is a precusor, I wake from the LD, lie still and then the vibrations start almost immediately and I can exit with ease.

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Wed May 20, 2009 12:40 am

D: but... but... my bed iswhere i'll get sickerer... ;-;
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Wed May 20, 2009 7:46 pm

What? From boredom? Laughing Not entirely sure what that face is for but something tells me it is naughty.

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Thu May 21, 2009 5:24 am

it is a crying face, see? ^.^

but i'm always naughty. in fact, i was being naughty on gmail when i wrote that post. i was sending emails to Allice's cell phone... :ninja:
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Thu May 21, 2009 5:34 pm

TwilightInsanity wrote:
it is a crying face, see? ^.^

but i'm always naughty. in fact, i was being naughty on gmail when i wrote that post. i was sending emails to Allice's cell phone... :ninja:
lol I see now. I had to look at it from your perspective. lol

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Fri May 22, 2009 4:31 am

what were you thinking it was? XD
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Fri May 22, 2009 6:40 pm

I thought it was a weird winky face I had never seen before. Like I don't know you're winking and drooling at the same time? Or licking your lips plus winking.

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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Sat May 23, 2009 8:50 am

oh, i see it now! XD damn, that's actually very interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Which Type Is It?!   Sat May 23, 2009 4:11 pm

lol People can see smilies in many different ways.

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